فیلم سمپوزیوم وسایل نقلیه خودروی خودکار | استفاده از زمین و محیط ساختمان

Title:Autonomous Vehicles Symposium | Land Use and the Built Environment

در ۶ اکتبر ۲۰۱۷، APA و سازمان های شریک آن – لیگ ملی شهرها، مؤسسه بروکینگز، مرکز حمل و نقل Eno، آزمایشگاه تحرک و دانشگاه جورج میسون/Mobility E3 – گرد هم آمدند تا یک کتاب بازی برای شهرها و مناطق در مورد همه چیزهای مستقل ایجاد کنند. وسایل نقلیه (AV). کتاب بازی و دستور کار برای تحقیقات بیشتر مشخص می کند که چگونه این جوامع می توانند مزایا را به حداکثر برسانند و پیامدهای منفی بالقوه مرتبط با استقرار وسایل نقلیه خودران را به حداقل برسانند. سومین پانل گفتگوی تعدیل شده به بررسی مزایا و هزینه های بالقوه استقرار گسترده وسایل نقلیه خودران برای شهرها و مناطق شهری می پردازد. اعضای پانل در مورد تأثیرات بالقوه بر طراحی شهری و محیط ساخته شده، کاربری منطقه ای زمین، منطقه بندی، استانداردهای طراحی، پارکینگ و موارد دیگر بحث خواهند کرد. اعضای پانل این بحث شامل نیکو لارکو، دانشیار معماری در دانشگاه اورگان و یکی از بنیانگذاران و یکی از مدیران ابتکار شهرهای پایدار بودند. لیزا نیسنسون، سرپرست گروه برنامه‌ریزی + طراحی جدید Alta و بنیانگذار استارت‌آپ فناوری GreaterPlaces. و دیوید دیکسون، مدیر ارشد و رهبر گروه طراحی شهری در Stantec. دیوید روس، FAICP، مدیر تحقیقات APA، به عنوان ناظر فعالیت کرد. بحث های پنل قبلی را تماشا کنید: سهام و دسترسی: https://youtu.be/fNn-cIdILL8
شبکه حمل و نقل: https://youtu.be/25EBRfzLyTM

درباره این رویداد و کاری که APA در مورد AVs انجام می دهد بیشتر بدانید: https://www.planning.org/research/av/

انجمن برنامه ریزی آمریکا: https://www.planning.org/
لیگ ملی شهرها: http://www.nlc.org/
موسسه بروکینگز: https://www.brookings.edu/
مرکز حمل و نقل Eno: https://www.enotrans.org/
آزمایشگاه تحرک: https://mobilitylab.org/
دانشگاه جورج میسون/Mobility E3: https://www2.gmu.edu/ (برچسب‌ها برای ترجمه مرکز حمل و نقل Eno

قسمتی از متن فیلم: Well as you’ve already gathered automated vehicle technology and the business models that come along with it are likely to transform everything and especially when we look at the issues of land news and a place where cities and counties and regions have truly have levers to think about that but they

First have to wake up to what the kinds of issues and implications are on today’s panel we have David which makes a lot of sense given his background he is a landscape architect he is here as the director of research and you have heard from him about some of his

Thoughts about the implications of this and will get very different perspectives and after this panel we’ll have time to pick up a box lunch and come back and hear from someone who is piloting an low-speed shuttle in Las Vegas thanks Kelly and Sinton we have a great panel I

Want to get to them pretty quickly so I’m not gonna say much you already heard from me but I do actually the last panel reminded me of my morning commute so if you could bear with me I want to tell that story I live in a part of DC that

Does not have metro service I do not have a car so when the work for me to take out we’d had to take a bus to a metro station the Union Station I had to get here so I walked out my door and I confess I pulled out my iPhone called up

Uber and what uber said was 1.2 percent surge pricing congestion pricing took me about three seconds I said okay III need to get here I’ll pay for that my only point in telling that story given the conversation is it was so easy to do that with a private sector why can’t the

Public sector develop models like that because that sounded like a theme that was running through the earlier conversation so with that let me get into the panel and this is where the rubber meets the road literally and you can’t separate this issue of land-use in the built environment obviously from

Transportation or equity they all they all are all come together but we have a great panel here that brings several different perspectives and and i-i’ve been really looking forward to this panel so I’m going to just briefly say who’s on it and then turn in terms of questions – to my

Immediate left is Nicole Arco who brings an academic perspective he’s a professor of architecture – University of Oregon but he started a center do I have this right – sustainable communities initiative excuse me sustainable cities initiative at the University of Oregon that is doing some amazing work focused around

Not just autonomous vehicles but ecommerce some of the implications of that for our built environment so Niko will start to his left is Lisa Nissen Sen who has a background in technology active in apa the technology division smart cities interestingly enough she has recently joined Ulta planning design

As I call her their autonomy guru which if you know Ulta planning and design is probably the foremost buy content planning consulting firm in the nation so it’s going to be interesting to hear from Lisa how the autonomous vehicles and what’s going on plays out in terms of a multimodal transportation system

That includes bikes and heads and is expressed on the ground and then I’m really pleased as well to have at the my far left David Dickson who is with the stamtec group excuse me he’s at Stan Tech and he is a head of their planning and urban design group in there and I’m

Probably not getting this quite right David by getting in their urban places group but David David has a long distinguished career as a planner I’ve admired his work for years when he was a goodie Clancy so as an example he led the comprehensive plan for the city of

New Orleans post-katrina that won an APA national planning award but what’s very interesting what we all hear from David is at Stan Tech he’s working with major developers who are looking at integrating AV technology into the developments actually from what I understand specifically to address first my last mile issue that came up

Earlier particularly with Jeff Tomlin so he’s going to get some interesting perspective of what’s happening in terms of rolling out over the next several years what cities need to be doing and what the development community’s perspective so with that I’m just going to turn it over to to Nico to just talk

About sort of your work and what you see is the big issues and how the AV you know in terms of the impacts again on land use built environments cities you might talk about the sprawl issue too because there’s issues for regions and maybe pull some equity into this

Discussion because it needs to be part of everything where that work that we’re considering so take it away Nene okay I will wrap all those things together so yeah so I’m a professor at the University of Oregon and I’m also as we just started consulting firm Largo

Knudsen who works a lot with these issues and one of my main messages and I hope a takeaway that people leave with is that AVS are not a transportation issue and e-commerce is not a retail issue these are everything issues and we have to deal with them as such and there’s two

Reasons I think to deal with them session it kind of goes to the question that Howard answered that asked before of how do we get everyone to care about this how do we like get people interested so one one reason is simply because I think this is true like these

Things are going to affect all these different areas and I’m going to talk a little bit more about that but the second reason is it gets everyone to the table if AV is our conversation that’s happening at your your do T you are sunk all right that if people think of a visa

So it’s just the way for me to get yeah you know my daughter to to the her soccer practice and go like pick up a quart of milk that is that is a tremendously limited way of looking at this and we have to get everyone to the

Table if you start talking about how it’s going to be impacting land use land valuation equity concerns then all of a sudden it broadens the people who are going to be engaged and I think people who need to be engaged so let me give you some examples of how of these kind

Of what we call it so we’ve got a sustainable cities initiative we have an area called urbanism next where we’re doing a lot of this work and we’re really focused on the secondary impacts these types of technologies were not as interested and as Davis said we’re looking at autonomous vehicles ecommerce

And the sharing economy but we’re not as interested in those technologies as we are on these secondary impacts so for example parking we all know parking is is probably gonna be you know we’re gonna need a whole lot less of it right in some studies say 10 to 15% of what we

Got right now even with 50% shared fleets and that that’s a huge drop and so you know the conversation is typically okay so we’re gonna lose a lot of parking and on the one hand that’s going to be what are we gonna do with our parking garages and then we have

Revenue kind of issues and I’ll expand upon some of that but there’s all these other pieces that happen as well so this the according to Donald Shoop the largest single land use in any city is parking all right so all of a sudden think about all the land that became

Available for development what does that do for land valuation prices right huge shift happening that that that’s going on there and all of a sudden project feasibility goes through the roof right now the projects that we’re developing parking is like this lost leader that we

Have to deal with I have to build it because it’s you know it’s what makes everything work all of a sudden I don’t need that anymore I can all kinds of projects become possible in my limitation on how much development I’m putting on a parcel is not it now really

Does become the height limitation or the FA are not necessarily how much parking is required per unit right so there’s a huge shift that happens I think about what happens with land valuation based on things like that we have issues of Street design right so all of a sudden

The limitation we have parking long streets that are great buffers between pedestrians and bikes that goes away how do we redesign our streets to deal with this kind of the mixing of modes and then finally affordable housing all of a sudden we don’t need parking the cost of

Development goes down as I mentioned the feasibility project this might be a boon for affordable housing right so this one topic that we’ve all kicked around parking all of a sudden you start looking at the cascading effects and it is powerful one other example quickly touch on David

Mentioned was sprawl the example I always like to give is you know I’m willing to do right now a 2025 minute commute into work and that’s just like the reality of my life let’s say all of a sudden in 2025 minutes I will go much further and in town’s vehicle then I

Could go when was driving right so already we’re gonna expand the metropolitan footprint oh and by the way as Jeff mentioned before now I can do all these other things right I can be working watching a movie exercising sleeping a whole range of things so maybe I’m willing to do a 35

۴۰ minute commute now think about what that does to your metropolitan footprints and I you know some of the comments before I’ve like all some of these things are just smart kind of development practices and smart growth is definitely well we also need those measures tremendously or else our metropolitan print will expand

Tremendously right think about what that happens I was in the amount of land that’s available what does that do to land valuation there’s all these cascading effects that I think we really need to be considering so maybe I’ll stop there and backwards great thanks Nico one of the themes I think is coming

Through and it’s certainly been getting clearer in my in my thinking and going again from sort of the broad-brush dystopia utopia down the road impacts when things are fully deployed the uncertainty about when that’s happening but now over the last six months to a year seeing pilots rolling out and

Evidence that at least there’s going to be applications on the streets in your town fairly soon and so I actually turned to Lisa how do you deal with how this app how do planners how the cities deal with that uncertainty in terms of thinking short term and long long term

And I was interested when Ken petty mention scenario planning and his opening remarks I think that might be an approach that’s appropriate well thank you I’m gonna speak to this topic actually is the old Lisa who was a local land use planner in Sarasota County for

Five years and I got my ass kicked every single day and we need to put ourselves into the lives of people on the front line maybe it was your former life as well but if anything’s gonna get done we have to actually work for the doers in the transportation and land use

Departments so in doing long use plan we usually shrink down how we talk about comprehensive planning into three bubbles what do we have what do we want how do we get there right and we’ve been pretty comfortable with that for a long time you just sort of take where you are

Now apply a growth factor some trends and then you go from there the baseline is totally blowing up right now with technology not just in transportation but everywhere else so instead of three bubbles we now have five so planning is now five bubbles and the first one is

Always what do we have you always want to see what you have but you really can’t get to what do you want until you answer two questions now what’s happening and what’s likely to happen here and that’s where scenario planning comes into play so that you can get

Everyone up to speed and around the table and it’s like this is what’s happening and oh because we live in a college town this might be the way it rolls out we live near an interstate we live downtown and so you can begin to sort of forecast where some of these

Things might be going but you really can’t get to what do you want until you get your arms around all those things that you can harness the benefits and limit the risks upfront so then once you decide what you have how do you get there is also changing and it used to be

That you’d have this big bang plan and come out and it was all great things are changing now and it’s not how do you get there big bubble it’s a little bubble now and that could be a pilot program it could be a small increment but we’re in

The era now where you’re doing these incremental plans that get bigger and I like that we’re talking about pilots um the one thing having been a planner we used to do ply up pilots all the time and they ended up being one offs either because they weren’t really taken

Seriously or because we didn’t at the very outset of the planning process get determined about how it was gonna scale and that’s where we are now so if you’re doing a driverless shuttle pilot ultimately you want that to be integrated into your formal transportation system you’ve got to ahead of time to think

About the next couple of steps you don’t have to predict it because you’re going to goof up along the way but but that’s really I think the wait planning is changing and as consultants as professionals as staff that’s our new normal for planning so we better get

Used to it I think the second part of that question goes to comprehensive plans and zoning codes and I have two important points there number one rarely does anything get funded or become an initiative or get off the ground unless there’s some anchor in the comprehensive plan and

When I was a planner I faced that all the time trying to bring innovation to Sarasota County there wasn’t a sentence that was that in a blur sentence and in fact that smart cities week I heard one city said that their comp plan review they’re gonna invent a new chapter one called the

Future and everything that lets them experiment is gonna come in that first chapter and like that was brilliant and that’s gonna be on a post-it note this afternoon when we start compiling all our ideas I think the second thing is the planning practice has to get past

Our current system of zoning which locks in uses a lot of them from the 80s well actually here’s I did a zoning code audit for green infrastructure in California and so I had to comb through every single zoning code in a six County area and there were things that were

Pages long and you’d come in to acceptable uses and one it would be like baths comma Turkish and then you go on down it’ll be like Turkish bath so it was in there twice and it’s like there was no Turkish bath and Ventura County anymore but that just gives you if if

That’s what’s going on imagine but I think with all of this disruption going on from multiple angles having these strict zoning codes we are just coding ourselves into demise and planners have to get used to flexible adaptable legal vehicles that let us move quickly or we’re gonna just have a bunch of Turkish

Baths yeah thankfully so I Nico and I were on the panel at smart cities week with Russ Brooks from Transportation America I know if he trusts us here but he used a term one of the key issues is we’re working with 20 20th century regulation it doesn’t work anymore and actually

That’s a good segue to today today because you’re David you’re right in the trenches now planning major mixed-use developments and cities across the country looking at these issues so could you just talk a little bit from your perspective in terms of what you’re you’re encountering in terms of house

Cities how ready cities are anta to to enable the potential that’s there while minimizing the the adverse effects well I’m gonna speak for less time than anybody today because the answer is they’re not but but – maybe but to take that a step further one of my follow-up

Question okay it is why aren’t they why aren’t they because the fire isn’t hot enough yet I don’t know how else to put it there there is I mean we all live in a world as we know where without the story I love the focus on the story

Which I think started started the first speaker and just has continued without that without without the story and the fire the and the political will our system moves very slowly but I want to talk for a little bit about the incentives to move and because I think

That has got to be an important part of the story and I’m going to try I want to sort of recast the utopian dystopian perspective a little bit because I think it’s really important I lovely say your point about context and and we have a kind of a North America actually we have

A developed world context that we’re also working in if we were having this discussion in 1970 when almost 50 percent of all households in the US included two adults and kids and they dominated housing markets and for lots of reasons that were fundamental to how their lives work they wanted to go to

Suburbs beyond white flight than all the actually I was just in Toronto yesterday where they never and if from their perspective they never had white flight but the same thing still happened in other words there were fundamentals around people’s lives in a very large part of our market that basically

Contributed in very profound ways in addition to the fact that we had cars to suburban sprawl if you fast-forward to 2025 roughly 10% of US house we’ll include two adults and kids 25% of US households will includes kids but only 10% of two adults include two adults two adults and kids are the

Natural market for suburban single-family houses now obviously more folks are gonna go out there but but while we may be enabling sprawl we don’t have the market first of all that we once did conversely we are literally unable to meet the demand for urban housing that we’ve got over the next 20

Years something like 80% of all new households in this country for the next 20 years are gonna be singles and couples and you can do all the math whatever you want but basically they like living in a loft if they can predominantly but there’s another factor that this that that gets even more

Directly to public policy and just the Telegraph ahead I’m gonna get to equity in a minute also like like virtually all of us which is that a number of folks like me have decided to get older and at some point I always say SS when we’re gonna leave the workforce and there are

Fewer folks following us into the workforce so works for workforce formation is basically about 50% of what it was even a few years ago and it’s gonna stay that way for a while so what that is already doing is creating a significant shortage of the skilled and

Educated workers that are one of the first speakers in our first panel talked about the natural people to take all the new jobs we create there aren’t very many of them what that means is because knowledge industries are how our economy grows and every community that we are

Represented or involved in our work for knows this communities are all competing very hard for this workforce if you are 25 to 49 and you have four years of more of education on net you’re moving into urban cores if you have one week less than four if you have less than four

Years of college education you’re moving out not necessary because you chose to but because urban prices for housing and for work space are rising much faster than than their suburban counterparts and a lot of people are being forced out we’ve talked about this so we have demographics that are

Urban we have economic development and economic development in Parratt of that is very Pro urban so now let’s jump to the the topic at hand from my perspective and this is a sort of in the trenches perspective what our clients are really interested in all the automated mobility or autonomous

Mobility over they want to call it it’s kind of intellectually interesting shared autonomous mobility is really interesting so let’s look at a development in Tampa that’s got 9 million square feet there is no first mile last mile there because actually the Hillsborough Area Rapid Transit Authority heart is the first Transit

Authority and they hired stamtec so very proud about this too basically they basically hired us to develop an essay B approach to downtown transit which we can talk more about later but what this nine million square foot development is very they don’t want to have to go 15,000 parking spaces they

Want to build 10,000 or 8,000 the more they can connect in nineteen 2019 not even 2020 every play every every job every residents and every parking space the more bang they can get out of shared parking and they’re going to cut cost now let’s fast forward to Jeff Tomlin’s

۸۰% will eliminate 80% of parking nito got us up to 90 percent another way to think about that parking makes really lousy office space or housing or virtually anything else except maybe first for retail it makes really good parking so let’s say we only need a quarter of it that’s an invitation for

Every community represented by everybody in this room to quadruple downtown densities or urban core densities we have an opportunity that fits exactly with our demographics and exactly with our Economic Development sort of imperative to basically unleash or unlock a significant new round of urban densification and I say urban because

This is a function of shared mobility shared automated mobility when I stand Tech has a very this is not minutes of marketing moment but we have a very well that we have a very significant autonomous mobility research and development group and when I called them up to say for a typical

Urban dweller how much would you save by be able to use shared mobility exclusively as opposed to owning a car and the answer came back and obvious depends on your said it’s roughly like writing somebody a household a check for $5,000 a year for every car they didn’t

Need oh so so there’s an economic incentive there’s a huge convenience incentive because you don’t have to go to where your car is parked go someplace park your car and go to where you’re going so even if the trip takes the same amount of time it’s a lot more

Convenient etc so for a whole bunch of reasons a share ups anonymous mobility is going to be very competitive in urban areas okay it will at it will then this this this very attractive alternative will then be coinciding with our demographics and our economy and basically if we can manage our

Future correctly we can unlock a significant new round not only of urban development but urban value creation and where I want to finally finish is this the come back to is equity because I think actually some ways that is probably the toughest piece of this discussion everything our communities do today to

Attract skilled and educated workforce to attract upper income mobile highly mobile Millennials to live etcetera is basically its sanctuary accentuating the the amenity crisis the more amenitized our cities are the more expensive they become that’s why urban housing values have risen so much faster all the net

Growth in inner core suburbs for last decade has been below the poverty line I mean this it really is happening okay fast-forward those communities like Cambridge or Arlington or that that basically are willing to say not only do we own our streets we own the right to

Develop so if we’re going to come and allow you to create another 50% or 100% of 200% density we’re going to charge you to pay for the public benefits that we as a community vet which include affordable housing job training accessibility and all the things we talked about this is something that we

Should looking at tapping now I probably tried to cover too much ground here but eh there are real imperatives that should suggest the success of shared item ability B there’s a tremendous urban advantage here C it is going to accentuate equity because it is going to make urban it’s it’s a huge amenity

Among everything among everything else we’ve talked about it will make urban environments more valuable than ABCD it should give us a source of revenue to tap that can be part of the solution to many the problems we’ve talked about and at this point thank you wow thanks

Thanks David I’m gonna turn to Nico and I have a couple of thoughts I’d like you to take one or both one is on the issue of equity serve and it’s came up earlier today the idea the urban versus rural divide it’s like the digital divide

Right and it was reflected in our last last election the thought that the rural areas can be left behind and and I know we’re about land use in an environment at land usin built environment I’m wondering if you have thoughts on that and then I was also like like your

Reactions of some of the things that David was talking about in terms of your your current research you could do either or both if yours to think you can do both okay so the rural kind of so the geographic differentiation of how these things are going to hit yes absolutely

And everybody talked about this stuff all over the the country and every time I go somewhere people say well what about that that you know urban and rural peace and everyone nods their head and says yeah we need to think about that and what we don’t have yet is a really

Good kind of discussion of talking to some of these communities and figuring out what’s happening and how they feel about it I think with the rural peace the the very rural it is going to be painful and differentiated and you know very much like you know there’s still

People out in rural areas who like get around in horses and but you know cars kind of hit cities first and it’ll can that kind of will happen right central cities will have the biggest impact what we started do is actually talked to smaller cities because this is I think

Is there’s there’s something between so there’s a central city there’s a suburban city if there’s a small city and then there’s rural and I think that we often talk about the central city in rural but then there’s all these pieces in between that are important about I’ll tell you the suburban cities

Are absolutely feeling the impact of these things uber and lyft exists in these areas they’re already seeing that the impact on e-commerce is tremendous and I would hope people start thinking more about that bring that into the conversation this year we’re on target to have more

Store closures than we did in the peak of the recession because of the the largely because of e-commerce like these things are real if you talk to small cities and suburban cities places that are not boutique E but are more kind of strip mall –is– they’re feeling pain their stores are closing property

Properties are empty which is huge kind of light issues taxation is going down right property taxes coming in payroll taxes coming in or all going down because this is these are huge issues we’ve done a study on municipal budgets and how these things are gonna affect

And I welcome you to come take a look at those that work that we’ve done mmm but so the the so suburban cities are absolutely being hit by this we’ve talked to us a few small C’s we’re just starting that work right now and to our surprise they are seeing the same kind

Of impacts right definitely on the side of e-commerce they are having a whole lot of people trouble getting developers to put in the commercial development so large master plan communities where they’ve said it’s great you’re gonna do housing we also wants commercial stuff people are very reluctant because the

Ground is shifting so much they’re starting to see ubers and lyft showing up in these areas and they’re starting attesa and they’re already seeing reduction of prop of parking utilization for some of these things and they see actually a huge boon in transit because transit is painful in a lot of these

Communities are not big enough they don’t have the mass and tremendously inefficient right so we’ve got a shuttle that has you know 8 9 seats that’s going around the city and empty most of the time they see what this is a much better way of working so I think they’re there

Different problems are gonna be happening each of these geographies and I would one of the things that we’re trying to do and I encourage other people working in this space to do is to really dig in not just ask question but then go ask the question of those

Communities because that we were we’ve been surprised at the amount of impacts that we’re seeing in these areas thanks thanks Nico I turn to Lisa could you talk about that the the what I thought raised earlier that you’re working on I presume the integration of autonomous vehicles issues with bike and Ted and

Other forms of trail of Transportation I’d be interested it’s on your thoughts of what that might look like and okay some four things first and foremost building bikeable walkable communities is only in small part about transportation it’s about quality communities it’s about efficiency it’s about quality architecture public health

Multiple benefits efficiency of services this is in large part why they’re so popular and that will remain so I just want to hit that nail on the head second if you look at innovation in transportation technology right now it’s not about cars it’s about bicycles and anybody who’s

Looked around the streets right now can can see with the ductless bike share with the electric bike share all of these are feeding into even greater demand for bicycle infrastructure so I think that as we talk about locking and loading in the communities we want in

The near term if we can pay attention to that technology and its advances in that infrastructure right now that would be awesome my next-door neighbor has one of those one wheels they’re called personal mobility devices or writeable the huge explosion in that in fact scooter share

Is a thing and so I think we’re going to see those lower levels as our first end to get what we really really want and so I just want to make sure we all pay attention to that I think that a third factor of why we need to incorporate

Bikes and pedestrian is what I would just call digital resiliency or mobility resiliency because what’s going to start to happen is there will be cyber attacks and if I’m on my bike the Russians can’t get to me you know I can still get going but there and even Amazon is using cargo

Bikes along with ground drones and air drones as its package of getting things the first last 50 feet forget first last mile just another point about parking you know what the biggest fastest growing segment of commercial real estate is in Los Angeles right now urban warehouse because Amazon wants to

Get you something you want in an hour so if it’s some bizarre noir we marine varnish you’re gonna get it and that’s gonna call for distributed like talk about what that parking is gonna convert to I’m willing to bet it’s gonna be Iker my e-commerce redistribution and

And bikes have a huge role to play in getting all that stuff tuned for final point I want to talk about the bike and ped experience as we talk about all of this because right now it’s like oh you won’t get hit by a car and Lisa the

Pedestrian goes yeah but think about this a lot of them are going to be outfitted with audible warnings and don’t even get me started on those delivery butts that are going to be on the sidewalks also with audible warning so when there’s two they’re kind of cute

When there’s a hundred I mean we do need to think about the bike and ped and urban experience with drones ever had we are genetically programmed to swat at things hoping and so I just want us to make sure that we don’t lose sight of that in our chase for tech and the

Number of technology companies just rushing in thanks Lee so I’m going to ask David one more question then I think well open it up for our audience questions so I think you establish that cities are not ready for for what’s you know what what the coming advent of this

Technology so my question is what are one or two things that you City should start doing to get in place to start preparing what would your recommendation do okay well first I’m gonna tell my three and a half year old grandson that he has to start sharing his scooter he

Doesn’t know about scooter share so I actually I’m not gonna speak for a transportation perspective I’ll leave that to my tremendously worthy and capable colleagues I want to talk about my a planning perspective I think the most important thing that cities can start doing communities can start doing

And actually suburbs which with large gray fields that are going to redevelop and can redevelopment much more urban walkable mixed-use ways is putting in place the regulatory zoning around development first of all to somebody I forgot was Jeff or somebody said no I think unique OU’s it that when FA

Our instead of the cost of parking becomes the real limiter on development that actually shifts a great deal of power to cities because then if they can figure out how to increase FA RS it’s not the market in terms of how much park you need it’s the city in terms of the

Regulatory policies it’s put in place to enable development that is determining how valuable at city can be how mixed-use it can be how many jobs that can accommodate how many people can live there now as we all know not so simple you don’t just say let’s bigger a few a

Few of our caller if you of our neighbors feel bigger is better okay but they feel better is better and so if we can all go to work setting the stage to help people understand how we can manage the impacts and unlock a new generation a new era of urban growth there are

There’s tremendous promise and I think probably a part of that promise is the ability to help us address equity I think the second thing they could do and it’s really related to the first is just start watching the conversations the private sector frankly doesn’t have I’m

Going to say the right to launch the conversation the legitimacy lies in the public sector in this in this in this room and the public sector as far as I know is just not out there anywhere and really really needs to be and there are a lot of people have real influence in

This room from lots of perspectives and and I think we all have very important roles to play so yeah thanks David Nika you want to make a quick comment yes so first I’m going to make a slightly shameless plug so we’re running a conference in March March 5th through

۷th urbanism next conference in Portland which is a combination of APA national and local AIA American is to architects to national and local American site landscape architects the national local and Uli national logo so we invite you all to come and talk about it’s focused on secondary effects when I got to talk

About the technologies we’re gonna talk about secondary effects but I say that because one of the issues that we’re gonna be dealing with is what kind of what should cities be doing on the regulatory side and I think going off of your question well you know how are seas

Preparing for this change on one hand there’s this huge opportunity right all sudden these the if we don’t need parking but there’s much more development potential we have much more power to say what kinds of things we would like to have happen there’s also

On the side of how do we get to that so you know the we’re working on something right now with a people in the law school on we’re calling responsive regulations so one of the problems we have right now is that we’ve got parking ratios which are you know a thousand

Square feet for parking spaces as parking utilization goes down all of a sudden that’s going to be an albatross around people’s necks of oh my god I’m building all this it goes from you don’t have enough parking to pencil too you have too much parking to pencil right

It’s not being used and this is a problem and we you can imagine the political battles that will happen from the last developer that just developed the thing with four units per parking four units per thousand square feet doesn’t want to change the regulation because they will be at a disadvantage

And cities are I think we can all agree notoriously slow on changing their regulations and being ahead of the curve and so one of the things we’re working on is so for instance could we set up some system what is this regulatory structure to say parking regulations

Right now a thousand square feet four parking spaces when we hit will decide right now we’re going to go through one big regulatory fight and decide we’re gonna do some benchmarking twice three times a year we’re going to check a parking validation when that hits seventy percent

Automatically our rates will go down to three units with per thousand square feet when it hits 50 percent it’ll go down to two units per square feet and so the idea is we have to fight once we all know what the future looks like and developers can say oh you know we just

We just had a our last benchmark said seventy two percent utilization we’re about to go down a little bit further we should hold off like this is about to happen and the beautiful thing is it lets a happen at whatever speed it happens abies come out and all this

Happens within you know two three years great regulations change quickly happens over 20 years great regulations changes than YouTube but we have the fight once so right now we’re working on where the law school both I’m planning side and then on the legal regulatory side the structures I can do those

Things questions but I want Lisa to have the last word and in the interest of equal time if there’s anything you’re doing it also you’d like to highlight I know you did a really nice piece on mobility resolutions we actually did a white paper copying paste

For communities of all sizes to in a very dim sum like way pick what you want you know have the conversation with the community have the local council pass it so that when uber lyft line bike whoever shows up in town you can point to something on

Paper and say you know we’ve got our goals here let’s work with that I think my last shameless plug is actually to ask everybody in this room to do a shameless plug this has been the prelude to our event and our exercise this afternoon where we are basically going to crowdsource the playbook

You need to put down every idea you have all your work what you just published do not be afraid to self promote yourself your clients your work as long as we are building something that fast-tracks this conversation if we aren’t coming away with this series of talks with the sense

Of urgency we didn’t do our job but you’re the star going forward on this and I’m just so grateful and humble humbling experience to be in this crowd of talent so we appreciate it ok ok thanks Lisa open up for questions I’ll go right to Tom since you’re seeing

Right in front that’s Tom Fischer from the University of Minnesota you’re looking at the pairing of e-commerce I mean some of the big retailers envision a future where there will be vehicles with Goods circulating through the city that can deliver as you order it online and also Mercedes is envisioning

Vehicles that are the office yes so so I mean one of the things that I can remember who was it was just talking about this that we we have to stop thinking about a v’s as that like the sedans that we have right now with like gizmos on them right they are completely

Gonna change everything cuz all of a sudden we can do all these things on them there will be ones that have like exercise bikes in them and there will be ones that you know have beds and there will be ones that will be as Jeff Tom

Like to say a more legitimate than that or questionable about the activities it will be happening in there so so these things will absolutely shift and warehousing will be a huge one right so yes so I think David’s point to the there because you were saying that the

Largest Lisa Lisa’s point about you know warehousing kind of totally shifting yes there will be and there will be people who decide like why do I ever need a brick-and-mortar store why do I never need in a store when I just do it there why don’t I just have everything right

Here and have those things moving around so there’s definitely that combinations gonna be happening the the two other places are gonna be on the delivery side so you know the idea that Amazon is gonna pull into your neighborhood and then I think terrestrial drones are way I had been airbase drones even though

Those are a little bit sexier I think terrestrial drones are here there’s one there’s one delivering Chipotle right now in DC but it’ll arrive and all of a sudden all these things will come out and all over your neighborhood and as Lisa was saying what happens when

There’s tons of these things and you know starts to be a how do we regulate what they’re doing on on the sidewalk that’ll be a big piece so the whole delivery piece is going to be large and then the other big place that we really need to think about is curbside space

Curbside space is going to be a huge fight and also a huge opportunity for regulation or I should say a tax taxing and bringing revenue in and so it’s you know everyone’s going to be getting out of work at the same time and looking for their lift how do you deal with that

How do you deal with that fighting with you know Amazon coming in and with this 18th delivery from today these are these are really like important issues for us to be plugging into I think we have time for one more question need to make it quick Jana sorry we heard from Kevin earlier

That these abs are safe for pedestrians and bicyclists so I guess this is a question for Lisa it’s not necessarily what information is available to the public right now if you if you dig there’s a number of Guardian articles out there that that this technology and its current

State is not all that good about picking up on the unpredictable bicyclist and and so I’m trying to get a sense of where is the state of Technology and should we be concerned about this and if we need to be concerned how does that roll into what is happening at the

Federal level on Nitsa policy that’s being put out and congressional you know acts with the legislation introduced do we need to be putting some controls in place now to make sure that they have to just finished a five-part series on this topic for mobility lab and the first

Thing to say is you’re right the lidar and radar not very good at detecting and recognizing bikes they’re my colleagues at George Mason have indicated that almost 80% of the time they can get it right for a car in which way it’s going and for a bicycle it

Drops below 50% but that doesn’t matter because that’s gonna get better and we know what to do about bicycle safety now right we know the best way is to physically separated lanes we know that the next thing after that is advisory sort of pieces and that 80% of accidents

Could be eliminated by making infrastructure changes and we have a whole other list of things so what I tell my colleagues because I’m also consulting with Alta is that do what you do now and you know now to improve bike and pet safety and then the last thing I

Want to say is that there’s one thing we do know about the way that the AV sensing technology works I think this is what Matt’s raising his hand furiously about over here is that when something steps out in front of it it stops and that’s actually a problem right and so

It’s an issue that has to be worked through and I had the the the fun of writing in the back being a backseat blogger in a navy Cadillac that Carnegie Mellon had here at Fort Myer a few weeks ago and what was interesting about it was that it’s too sensitive to dealing with

Pedestrians and it slowed at every crosswalk on the base but it also detected the sign that said yield to the crosswalk as though it were a pedestrian in terms of national policy there’s very none of what is being discussed right now affects the bike and ped issue it

May be that it’s an issue that needs to be developed further in the research context and the sort of ways that we we look at that but the federal policy doesn’t do that and then the last thing I want to say and this kind of goes back

To what kevin was talking about in terms of the the not impeding the technology now we have technology that we can retrofit now with automated driving assistance systems and those systems are very helpful in giving much greater visibility to bicyclists and pedestrians mobilize been a leader in that but there

Are others and they they helped a lot with the interface of buses and pedestrians and bikers at busy multi mobile things did I get your point so when you drop that automation right so the speed sensors and high technology also works more efficiently off the shelf technology versus

And and then closed on a biker note the little bit of work that’s been done it’s mostly fairly qualitative is that bikers actually prefer abies because they’re more predictable do you know what they’re gonna do and you don’t know what a car’s gonna do if just one quick

Comment which we’ve used the word cities cities cities and cities I think roughly half of us live in suburbs the the issue for suburbs it beyond the potential for sprawl because you can get in the whatever Jeff thinks you can do in the car on the way home anyway in theory a

More pleasurable ride is one thing I think the bigger issue for suburbs is they have to face the same demographics and the same economic development imperatives that cities do where our economy is around knowledge economy it’s that’s dependent on labor this is labor that wants to live in

Compact walkable areas that can all afford to live in cities anyway one of the and and and the bulk of the market in in in Fairfax County eighty five percent of all housing production is going to be multifamily for next twenty years we did the market is just asthma

Is the same in the suburbs is the cities in many ways because that’s who we are so fast forward one of the policy things we all need to think about is how do we then use this technology to accelerate the redevelopment of gray fields the ability to pump new vitality into

Suburbs where most growth actually is at the poverty line or or near going forward and has been actually for roughly a decade now it’s something it’s a little it’s harder to talk about the main things we’ve been talking about but it’s it’s definitely an issue for for

APA if you want to get out there and take the lead thanks how about a round of applause for this panel [Applause] you

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