Title:Planning the Autonomous Future: Episode 1
“Planning the Autonomous Future” یک سری پادکست جدید از APA است. این مجموعه راه‌های زیادی را بررسی می‌کند که در آن فناوری خودروهای خودران (AV) بر شهرها و مناطق، تحرک و حرفه برنامه‌ریزی تأثیر می‌گذارد. در این قسمت، مجری برنامه جنیفر هناگان، AICP، و کلی کوینر، مجری برنامه، مقدمه ای بر AV ها ارائه می کنند و توضیح می دهند که چرا هر جامعه ای باید به آنها توجه کند. حناغان معاون مدیر تحقیقات APA و مدیر مرکز جوامع سبز است. Coyner مدیر عامل Mobility e3 است، یک شرکت رهبری حمل‌ونقل که به جوامع کمک می‌کند تا ناوگان‌های AV را برنامه‌ریزی، خلبانی و استقرار دهند. به قسمت های دیگر سریال گوش دهید: قسمت ۲: https://youtu.be/Q6IR5gp5TPQ
قسمت ۳: https://youtu.be/kG–3OVpHiE
قسمت ۴: https://youtu.be/PZh1iW0YtDo
قسمت ۵: https://youtu.be/KZSiMRE5vxY
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قسمتی از متن فیلم: Welcome to the American Planning Association podcast this episode is part of our series on planning the autonomous future which looks at the many ways in which autonomous technology will impact our cities and regions mobility and the planning profession I’m your host Jennifer Hannigan deputy research director and manager of the
Green Communities Center at the American Planning Association in this introductory episode we’ll be talking about why the American Planning Association is working on autonomous vehicles and how this technology is important to planners working in all types of communities and settings with me today is my co-host kelly coiner
Kelly’s the founder and CEO of Mobility III and she also serves as a senior fellow at the Center for regional analysis and Shar school of policy and government at George Mason University a veteran of the public private and nonprofit sectors Kelly has served at all levels of government in the
Executive legislative and judicial branches she served as an expert on a variety of transportation and performance evaluation research panels of the National Academy of Engineering and the Transportation Research Board she’s a long history in the transportation field including service as the administrator of research and special programs at the US Department of
Transportation she’s the former executive director of the Northern Virginia Transportation Commission and previously served as chief of staff to the National Capital Region senior policy group on Homeland Security and emergency management so we’re gonna get started with a lot of ways to let transportation planners land use planners urban planners rural planners
Everyone sort of get to know what this issues about and I wonder if you could tell us a little bit about sort of what we’re what we’re up to and how the podcast fits in sure I mean it’s it’s great to see so many more different types of organizations having
Conversations about autonomous vehicles now I’ve only been in the whole world of autonomous vehicles for about a year now and in that time I’ve been to a lot of different events hosted in a lot of different places where people are talking about the future and lots of big ideas and big
Things going on but there hasn’t been a lot of conversation that brings it down to the nuts and bolts of urban planning which is what I’m concerned about and what a piays members are obviously concerned about you know we have people who are themselves as futurists talking
About these really grand ideas which as a planner you might think well that’s really interesting that’s really cool but you know I’ve got this guy but the front counter who I’ve talked to five times already but he still doesn’t understand why he can’t put a fence in
The clear line of sight triangle and so connecting those things is really what I think is important because autonomous vehicles will affect that clear line of sight triangle and they will end up affecting what you have in your fence regulations down the road so this really
Is an issue that planners need to start thinking about and not just planners who are the head of a huge metropolitan planning organization but planners in every town a big town small town urban rural it’s going to affect everyone so that’s why we need to start talking
About it and getting ready for it so you know I’m not a planner the good questions for what I am I’m a lawyer by training I’ve worked in the transportation field for an awfully long time and last year when I went to the meeting in New York I was really skeptical I was
Subbing in for somebody else from Easi mile who was going to talk about AVS and how they worked and I thought this is really a dog of an assignment I’m gonna be at eight o’clock in the morning in Manhattan and nobody is gonna be there
And sure enough when I showed up at the 7:30 there was no one there and by 8:05 it was standing room only and it certainly wasn’t because of us it’s about the topic and it’s about all the things that people want to learn and understand and the first thing that they
Want to understand is is this something real that I need to worry about right now and what’s really interesting to me is that in this short time people are stopping asking that question now they say what do I need to do about it I have a mayor who
Wants to know about it I have a city councilman who wants to know about it my city manager wants to know how we going to manage this and there’s a real hunger for practical solutions that will make AV something that really contribute to the life of a community and are not
Something scary yeah things have moved really quickly in the last year and that’s done a lot to get us from you know is this happening – this is happening and we have within the last year 11 of the largest auto makers in the world have said that within the next
Three to four years they’re going to have autonomous vehicles on the road and we’ve got Tesla that’s already out there with these vehicles in the last year I’ve gone from a fly-by-night scenario planning session about how to put AV shuttles on the street – now I am the
Proud CEO of me3 mobility III and we’re working to help communities figure out how they can have shuttles now and one of the really exciting things we’re going to talk about it in the podcast is that the OEMs have said they’re going to have these on the streets really soon
But the shuttle providers the people that I like to say our community speed AVS were the first to do AV s in the United States right so can you help us out with a little autonomous vehicles 101 as a transportation expert getting very down to the basics what are
Autonomous vehicles wow that is a really hard question we should probably spend a lot more time on it to get people up to speed but it seems simple but I know it’s also a very big question so let’s start with sort of the the common view
Of it which is it’s a driverless car and that’s probably not a really helpful one I prefer to call it an automated mobility system which sounds pretty clunky no we talked about it most of us talk about AVS there’s there is new language and new ways to think about that to understand
What it is and we’re gonna spend a nice time in the podcast sort of going through the really detailed version of AV 101 but put it this way there are different levels of automation some of them we already see in our cards now and
We see them in our buses and we see them in our trucks automated braking systems and driver assist systems and then we’re a long way off from a car that drives itself around and buy a one-way off I mean buy five or six years and then more
Like twenty five or thirty years before you see a huge deployment of those kinds of vehicles so that’s one way to think about the 101 but the real way to think about it is that we’re really seeing an inflection point in transportation and we’re as we look at this automated
Approach to mobility but it’s combined with changes in the business models and the service models and a real appreciation of what that means for how our community works it’s gonna transform everything I always like to think of those little plastic cards that you used to get from McDonald’s that you know
Transformed into other kinds of things and then they went back to what they were being only in this case we’re not going back to what we’re baby we’re gonna be transformed and I think you know it’s helpful to really think about that there are lots of things that are
Paradoxical about planning and policy in this area starting with that we haven’t come up with a new name for what we’re doing so you know when we came up with a car we call the horseless carriage we couldn’t even quite think about you know what something else might be an auto
Mobile they sell it in automobile sort of suggests that it’s self-driving and it’s not and now we’re looking at a driverless car rather and coming up with some other some other kinds of names for it and we we do have different kinds of names some of them are really cute like the ollie
Bye Local Motors or Milo bye easy mile and some of them are a little more clunky like pod cars which sound like maybe we’re going to be in some sort of sci-fi movie that runs amok and has killer cars yeah that’s that’s that’s definitely not the direction that we
Want a girl but one thing that’s I haven’t heard as much about that I think is a really interesting aspect is we’re not just talking about moving people we’re also talking about moving things and so the autonomy in terms of freight movement and deliveries that’s going to
Look a lot different to well and I think that there’s another one where you’re sort of standing on the edge for years we’ve talked about transportation and supply chain logistics and how we do deliveries and now we’re talking about mobility of people and things and that
Is a real transformation of the the way that we talk about it and it focuses on what the value is of those transportation pieces as opposed to the mechanics of it so autonomy is has applications that go across moving people and things and money and it’s it’s a complicated sort
Of integrated kind of thing and then on the other end of it the kinds of things that we’re looking at in terms of Av Vehicles bleed over from one to another so for example there’s a new autonomous meter maid and it’s not that the a vehicle goes and collects money or
Receipts from a machine it’s that it drives someone to do that and so that’s sort of a different concept or there’s a you know sort of another kind of application when we think about how do we take care of roadways in Colorado they’ve thought about well
What is a real problem we need to solve and it was the problem of the crash car you know the crash truck is or a crash vehicle is Oh when there’s an accident on the highway that’s exactly what I thought but it’s not so when you’re striping a highway or a roadway or
You’re epoxy it using the glue to sort of patch those cracks from the winter back together again they take a vehicle behind it that they call a crash vehicle and it’s exactly what you think it’s so that it gets crashed into instead of the striping machine oh wow I thought well that’s
Kind of dumb because they do get crashed into and they have people in them and people get hurt when they get crashed into so what if we had an autonomous crash vehicle that followed along at seven miles an hour behind the epoxy machine or the striping machine and we
Put the person in the striping machine so that you could have sight on control of it but you know one of the things that’s so exciting is that you know this is this has become an everyday occurrence for me that someone has a new way of how we can use autonomy
Particularly at the community level because even though they were these big massive trucks out on the roadway in rural Colorado their slow speed their urban speed their community speed and so you know that sort of gives you another range of looking about it hey Jennifer we really need to talk
About why we’re here and it was really bad superb conference in the fall last year that really sort of set in motion the kinds of things that APA is looking to do with a playbook for cities and counties and regions and planners most importantly and those you want to tell
Us about how we started on that conference definitely yeah that was our kickoff event – all of this work on AVS that were doing so that was back in October 2017 we held a symposium with some of our great partners the National League of Cities George Mason University Mobility lab you
Know Center for transportation and the Brookings Institution so we were able to pull together this great group and brought about 90 of the nation’s top thinkers on AV to this event to talk about all the things that cities and regions need to do to get ready for autonomous vehicles we were
Able to get Jeff Tomlin from Nelson Nygaard came and gave a great keynote address setting a really real visionary perspective on autonomous vehicles and some of the benefits and also some of the potential drawbacks that there are a lot of things we need to be concerned
About to make sure that they don’t end up increasing congestion and leading to greater sprawl really understood how to set the table for the rest of the conversation and he also really encouraged us to start with a panel that was on equity and access and not start
With the usual planning topics when we talk about this so I thought maybe I’d take a minute to talk about what that panel is like so definitely have a big shout out for George Mason not only were they sponsors of the event but my colleague at the University
Laurie Shitler was one of the featured panelists and she is probably the smartest person I know about what the impacts are going to be on the transportation workforce and also in thinking about she’s really honest about who’s gonna get hurt and lose their jobs but she’s also working on how
Do we address that we also heard from others talking about the opportunities that AVS might give us in terms of more freedom for people who have disabilities and being able to move forward and help for people who no longer driving particularly an older population but the thing that was really interesting to me
And I think you know you’re gonna see is a theme throughout all of the work that we’re doing on this is that transit was raised as an equity issue because of the possibility that these new systems might really be hurt might really hurt ridership on transit and so hearing it
Framed as something that we need to look at in the equity context is really interesting to me and it rolled right over into the transportation network panel where we didn’t talk about the vehicles are the systems that we talked about how they fit or should fit into
The overall system and talk some about what the regulatory landscape looks like talked about the opportunities to marry a v’s with electric vehicles for their environmental benefits and talked about what we’ve learned from the ride hailing companies and the challenges that they’ve posed to communities across the
Country and what that might mean in the autonomous space as well I think it was really interesting that that panel also pointed out that abs are going to touch everything and that they’re they had a potential to transform land use as well so our third panel was all about land
Use and the built environment which was great because we filled the stage with planners and academics talking about the wide range of issues that we’re going to see with the deployment of autonomous vehicles in terms of how it will affect your comprehensive planning process zoning ordinance and other types of
Regulations what will this look like in the CIP process when you’re actually planning for installing technological components to the roadway and the system how does that look and of course lots of discussion on parking which is something that everything seems to come back to with autonomous vehicles how is this
Going to affect our existing parking lots what are we going to do with all that space and who makes the decisions on how we repurpose all of those acres and acres of asphalt that are sitting out there so that was that was a really great discussion that we were able to
Have there and it led in nicely to our lunchtime chat which would where we got to hear about a pilot project with the shuttle actually on the ground now of course the most important thing is that we got to eat well yes very man we had a
Lovely buffet and I actually got to eat some too but I’m very excited about the fireside chat that we had with Brian and with Linda Brian talking about what they’re learning in Las Vegas and showing us sort of how the shuttle work it’s always fun to see it the only thing
That’s wrong with that shuttle is it doesn’t have a cute name but that really laid the groundwork for people to be able to see particularly from the transportation planning side how pilots might roll out and then we crowd sourced from all the participants some answers to the kinds of things that cities and
Regions should have in their playbook and I had a lot of fun with that that was the best part of the day was getting to hear from all of these really tremendously smart people from so many different backgrounds what they think we need to be thinking about of course the
Thing I had fun with is that got me to do a little bit of well it was really not fiction writing it was non-fiction writing we set the scene by reading a important message from a concerned City Councilman who is really confused about autonomous vehicles on the one hand he
Wanted to have his yesterday on the other hand he wanted to make sure that everyone would be up in arms about it and the really cool thing is that it was really drawn from conversations that we had had with people who were in the room about what
Their real life experience was and boy did they really get into it talking about the land use issues how to deal with the equity issues how you measure success and evaluate what’s going on there were technologists there who could talk about the state of play and we made
A promise and we’re about to keep it to take the results of that and turn it into a resource that planners can use yeah that’s something that we definitely need to mention is that you can go to planning org slash research /av and find links to youtube videos from the keynote presentation all
Three of the panel discussions as well as the report from the symposium and also a link to the research knowledgebase resource collection that we put together which is a curated collection of resources from all over the Internet’s briefing papers reports webinars any type of resource that you
Can find we’ve put together the best ones that can help you in your city start thinking about autonomous vehicles and what you need to do to start planning and that you know one of the really cool things about that is that’s a living space and so we want to keep
Collecting that kind of information and so if someone has something that they want to share where should they send it there is a link on the website that where you can click to submit additional resource suggestions that way you can send it to us we can take a look and see
If it’s appropriate to add to the collection which we can do with any of the resource collections on any topic but with this on autonomous vehicles it’s particularly important because things are changing so quickly what was new and fresh last year might not even be relevant today and so there are
Things coming out all the time that we try and stay on top of so our members have the most accurate most up-to-date information so you know when we sat down and talked about what we should be accomplishing with this symposium back in April of last year we really
Thought a lot about what would be something that would be useful to planners there’s been a lot of conversation about what the strategies were for having a safe deployment and there was a lot of conversation about what the information is about what different kinds of levels of automation
Were but we felt like there was really a big gap in terms of usable information a playbook that any kind of planner could pick up and make sure that these AVS are safe and they benefit the communities and so I wondered if you could tell us about the PlayBook that APA has released
Yeah the playbook is really the summary document containing everything that we learned about the symposium we’ve got some good background information on autonomous vehicles for people who may not be completely familiar with the technology and what the issues are a nice summary of the symposium discussion and then the important part is the
Section about how planners can begin thinking about autonomous vehicles in their communities right now how you work that into your planning processes where it’s appropriate what issues you should be thinking about we have checklists and tables and tools to help you go through that and try to
Figure out how this relates to your day-to-day work as a planner as we’ve been working on the report and finishing up the thing that’s really struck me is how much excitement and need there is for this kind of playbook you know just recently have spent time
With the city of Chicago talking to them about what their PlayBook might look like I’ve talked to others who work in small cities on their transit projects and where this might fit in I’ve worked with people in large cities who are trying to understand how to serve areas
That aren’t served yet and so I just think this is really wonderful and I just want to have a shout out to you about not only you’re getting this report done but your inspiration for the podcast and for a piays upcoming educational series and so I’m looking forward to moving forward in
The podcast and I wonder if you could just give us a couple of quick ideas about who and what we might be hearing from sure and thank you Kellie for agreeing to participate in this and all of your assistance and lending your expertise for your years in the transportation field it’s always
Important to get other perspectives even though we’re talking about planning as the core issue here there’s more to it than than just land use so thank you for that and in this podcast series we’re going to be trying to identify what are those questions that are out there that
Planners and city officials have about autonomous vehicles what are the issues and then trying to figure out how do we begin going down a path towards solving those issues we’ve talked about different types of vehicles the planning process parking issues there are a whole lot of interesting little tidbits
Related to autonomous vehicles that we can focus on there are a lot of reasons I’m really excited about this some people know me as mobility mama on mobility lab and what we do blocking right where I blog and I’ve I’ve talked a lot about how AVS fit into the overall
Transportation system and and thinking about how do we promote active communities in particular but I also have a new venture which is mobility III also known as me3 and one of our early ones in the series will be with my partner Corey clothier who was the lead really by himself on the first
Autonomous vehicle pilot in the United States so stay tuned we’ll hear a lot more about how that worked out and what we can learn from it for pilots and other cities and communities and also have a segment where we talk about all the fun new kinds of vehicles the
We really shouldn’t be calling driverless cars we should be coming up with a new name for them yeah a lot to talk about mixing in the technology with the nuts and bolts planning issues I think it’s gonna be fun awesome I can’t wait thanks Kelly thanks for tuning in to
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