فیلم برنامه ریزی آینده خودکار: قسمت دوم، با نشانی کوری کلوثیر

Title:Planning the Autonomous Future: Episode 2, Featuring Corey Clothier

“Planning the Autonomous Future” یک سری پادکست جدید از APA است. این مجموعه راه‌های زیادی را بررسی می‌کند که در آن فناوری خودروهای خودران (AV) بر شهرها و مناطق، تحرک و حرفه برنامه‌ریزی تأثیر می‌گذارد. در این قسمت، مجریان برنامه جنیفر هناگان، AICP، و کلی کوینر در مورد نکات و نکات انجام پروژه های آزمایشی خودروهای خودران از کوری کلاوتیر، استراتژیست توسعه و استقرار فناوری AV در Mobility e3 می شنوند. کوری در مورد مشارکت خود در اولین خلبان وسیله نقلیه خودکار (AV) در ایالات متحده صحبت می کند – پروژه ای به نام رباتیک کاربردی برای تاسیسات و عملیات پایه (ARIBO) که نحوه مشارکت سربازان با جنگجویان زخمی در پایگاه ارتش فورت براگ کارولینای شمالی را تغییر داد. به نوبت های پزشکی خود سفر کردند. کوری همچنین تغییر سریع چشم انداز خلبانان AV در سراسر کشور را مورد بحث قرار می دهد و فاش می کند که جوامع چه مراحلی را باید در هنگام بررسی یک خلبان وسیله نقلیه خودران دنبال کنند. بعداً در اپیزود، این سه مورد از طراحی خودروی خودمختار صحبت می‌کنند و اینکه سازندگان وسایل نقلیه چه نوع ظاهری چشم نوازی را ارائه می‌کنند. حناغان معاون مدیر تحقیقات APA و مدیر مرکز جوامع سبز است. Coyner مدیر عامل Mobility e3 است، یک شرکت رهبری حمل‌ونقل که به جوامع کمک می‌کند تا ناوگان‌های AV را برنامه‌ریزی، خلبانی و استقرار دهند. به قسمت های دیگر سریال گوش دهید: قسمت ۱: https://youtu.be/-HqU0Ck6hm0
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قسمتی از متن فیلم: Welcome to the American Planning Association podcast this episode is part of our series on planning the autonomous future which looks at the many ways in which autonomous technology will impact our cities and regions mobility and the planning profession I’m your host Jennifer Hannigan deputy research director and manager of

The green community center at the American Planning Association with me today is my co-host kelly coiner Kelly’s the founder and CEO of mobility III and she also serves as a senior fellow at the Center for regional analysis and char school of policy and government at George Mason University so I’m really

Psyched to have Corey clothier here with us today on our podcast he’s also my business partner along with matt lash and corey you know i find that every time we talk i learned something new about you so maybe you could just introduce yourself sure sure my name is

Corey closer as you just said i’ve been in the autonomous vehicle world since about 2009 as a strategic adviser looking more at the business side of things so one of the things that i think i have the claim to is the first automated vehicle pilot in the u.s. it

Was actually a fort bragg at a hospital campus so did it have a name oh yeah our program is called a rebo which stood for applied robotics for installation and base operations because every department defense project has to have a good acronym so that was ours yeah

I seem to remember that it had a little catch your name as well who who was the shuttle for oh right yes this is for wounded warriors so the hospital campus at Fort Bragg was the largest Hospital campus military hospital campus in the US and they actually had a the nickname

Was a Wounded Warrior campus right next door in the shuttle there was an autonomous shuttles that were able to take the soldiers and Marines from their bare to the hospital that’s fascinating because when I’ve heard about automated technology in the military I immediately think about aerial drones and that sort

Of thing but I didn’t realize that there are already pilots moving people around yes the the program that we were working on the Arriba project our goal was tech transition so we really were looking at commercial applications that we could test out and prove out in the military

First that would also have commercial applications for communities and cities what was the biggest challenge you had in setting up the pilot education really it was the technology was available it was ready we actually brought over the first commercially available autonomous shuttle to the US and 2013 so the

Military US military actually brought the shuttle over from France a company called induct that was the predecessor to the company Navia that’s out on the streets now but having to educate the transportation planners on the military basis that this was actually in the realm of the possible was step one so

How did you do it we had a lot of meetings and in just sharing with them what the technology could do but then working through a proper planning process to understand the real feasibility you know we had to find the problem first what problems could be

Solved with this technology so I was the starting point so what’s the problem you’re solving the problem was really interesting cuz we had to figure out the business case for each application that we looked at just like any other commercial launch is that what was really the trigger the business trigger

The economic trigger for this and what we found at the hospital campus was the soldiers and Marines were missing appointments because they didn’t have adequate transportation and the idea was we could solve it with this autonomous shuttle because we could essentially go direct we could provide direct transportation which the conventional

Shuttle wasn’t able to do and they just weren’t riding the traditional shuttle bus you see direct this door-to-door service yes so that was the key and if we could reduce the number of missed appointments one the the people would get the proper treatment that they needed and the other is that

There would be the economic benefit of not wasting the time of the medical experts and the medical staff the vehicles accessible when thinking wounded warriors probably needed accessible vehicles they were we worked with a great company called robotics research that integrated wheelchair ramps and other accessible devices I

Think mainly what we really were able to do is the wheelchair ramp what we explored was kind of a full spectrum of universal design because we knew people were going to have sight issues hearing issues cognitive issues one thing I learned throughout this process was doing the studies and the feasibility

Study is understanding that somebody might get on this with a cognitive issue get on a vehicle and not know why they got on the vehicle and so how how could we help that and then that that kind of led to further research if we were doing

A local motors this is this is great because that’s one of the key issues that we’ve been thinking about here within the planning community on autonomous vehicles are what are the impacts going to be to people who have some sort of disability be that you know a physical or cognitive issue that

Prevents them from getting around and you started right off the bat in your project with with addressing that population were there any major hiccups or concerned things that you learned do that implementation no major hiccups the concerns are there every day I mean the safety of the riders obviously both

Pedestrians as well as it’s the people getting on and off the vehicles I mean those were I have to be managed and then just you know operating these vehicles safely in a mixed juiced environment that we didn’t have dedicated the streets we did a mixed traffic right

From the beginning and you know so just safety is obviously the concern always but that’s a great stepping off point to talk about pilots that are going on in cities and communities are you working on any of those Las Vegas is currently underway so I helped initiate the Las

Vegas pilot that’s that’s currently downtown Triple A is a sponsor fantastic grupe they actually have an autonomous vehicle group at triple-a in Northern California who are the sponsors and in partnership with the city and Keolis and Navia so there have been very many of these how many of there been Oh real

Pilots with real ridership really Vegas is the first one that’s on public streets that’s open to the public you know there’s some that have ever been short term may mobility did a really interesting short pilot in Detroit that was fantastic I wrote on that a couple months ago there’s been a lot of

Demonstrations Transdev Keolis have been kind of touring the country doing demonstrations other companies have kind of been doing the same thing are their chances for cities to do pilots now oh yes I think the process of I’m a big believer in them in that process is you

Need to demonstrate you need to kind of show the realm of the possible to the planners and to the city leadership and then I think you need a trial which could be a pilot is to really understand how this could work in the current application and also validate safety and

Operational efficiency so that’s a great thing for a pilot and then tune and tweak as you go through the stages of the pilot to eventual full deployment and then hopefully you scales from there so there are cities right now that are approaching you saying that they’re okay we’re ready we’re thinking about

Autonomous vehicles where do we start exactly yeah and that’s I think what we’re pretty good at is that we’ve definitely have the most experience of collective experience of defining these pilots what the real use case is what the business case looks like and then doing a proper feasibility study through

An operational plan what cities are looking at a vie pilot projects right now well we’ve collected it’s around 40 I think that I’ve seen 40 Wow yeah so list of now off the top of my head a few of them one that’s coming online pretty quickly is actually in

Testing now is Greenville South Carolina fantastic application it was actually that I was talking about the tech transfer from the repo project from the military that’s actually the first application we took the the vehicles from Fort Bragg because they weren’t needed anymore which is great because the Wounded

Warrior Campus just didn’t have that many wounded warriors anymore which is yeah and they put it in Greenville but they had a lot of help so federal highway provided some grant funds so that’s always really important as a way to find the money an organization called the g8 VP Global automated vehicle

Partnership also is providing matching funds and then other cities Tampa’s made a commitment to an autonomous shuttle system I heard recently Miami has doing it Detroit obviously Columbus Ohio with their smart cities grant San Francisco Houston Dallas I already mentioned Las Vegas Denver Seattle Portland so I could

Just keep going but yeah there’s there’s a lot of cities that are exploring it well it’s exciting these things are going to be everywhere yeah what’s the first thing a city should do once they’ve decided they want to do a pilot but that’s a big sorry I’ll break it

Down so like I think it’s a great idea to have a pilot that connects the parking lot to a stadium it’s not the best pilot for me and how do I figure out if there’s something better so to actually get started to understand whether or not your community or your

City is it’s right for a pilot and if it’s the right time if Detroit application for a pilot and the first thing we have to understand is what problem you’re trying to solve or what opportunity you’re trying to meet with this technology and the way to do that

First of all we have to meet with everybody meet with all the stakeholders within the community or the city and understand what you know just all of those details of what’s the infrastructure look like what’s the traffic situation how many people or how many people are you’re trying to move

You know items like that and just do a proper feasibility study to make sure that it’s it even makes sense it sounds very similar to the process that you’d go through if you were planning a new transit line or bus route or something like that yes I’ve been I’m sure it is and

Hopefully it’s a little simpler we’re talking mostly first and last mile applications right now with fairly low volume vehicles to start through the trial and pilot setting so if we’re focused on first the feasibility of a pilot it should be pretty simple and pretty quick it’s a lot smaller scale I think then

What the transportation community is used to sure everyone wants to know like do I need to invest in infrastructure before I do a pilot that’s a great question and we get that question all the time and I don’t have a great answer I don’t know we don’t know until we see

What the application looks like generally the autonomous vehicle companies are trying to build their systems to work within the existing infrastructure so even if there are some investments that are needed they probably will be small so I don’t have to upgrade to 5g in order to have an autonomous vehicle shuttle pilot no

Don’t probably don’t have to upgrade any Wireless strategies although some type of connected vehicle strategy is probably going to be warranted and necessary we’ll see you know it depends on what you already have the port’s the city already has what the chosen supplier also has there’s no menu if you

Know you can’t just say this is the system that will work for your city we really yes they’re all going to be customized to you know the need right now so to get a little deeper into the technology since many of our listeners may not be all that familiar with the

Terminology what exactly is a connected vehicle system what are we talking about that and the kind of the simplest terms is just wireless communication between vehicles the vehicles themselves so it’s a vehicle to vehicle and then in a vehicle to infrastructure scenario let’s say the traffic light is communicating

With the vehicle it’s fairly simple it’s just telling it I’m green I’m red I’m yellow and then the autonomous system can then react accordingly okay so this might be something similar to what many communities may have with their emergency vehicles yeah very very similar and it’s also very there’s no

Clear standard yet so it’s very flexible still and different companies are using different technologies for that munication so can I go on the internet or go to a parking lot and pick out an autonomous vehicle or what’s available and how do I figure out what’s gonna meet the needs in my city

Some people are are trying to do that some people are trying to say act like they’re buying a bus or buying a car and then they think that it can just be installed and it’s not the case so there are great companies out there globally working on this technology just in the

U.s. in the low-speed side there are probably a solid dozen companies working on low-speed autonomous or automated mobility solutions but you can’t none of them are an off-the-shelf strategy or solution every one of them has to be kind of tested and fit into the application you know they’re set up and

Testing and it could take weeks it could take months to actually dial the system into the to the city’s needs so you know everybody talks about a navy shuttle and thinks it’s nobody’s on it operating it is that true it’s half true some of the current pilots that are going on there is

Somebody on it as an operator but they’re not really operating it they’re just providing oversight essentially they’re the human emergency in the loop so they have their hand on the big red button or near the big red button or they have some kind of a remote control

Device to be able to do an emergency stop or to take over manual control if necessary so they’re called operators or they’re called concierge but they’re really they’re just as that emergency backup but pretty soon they’ll be off that’s the goal and different cities and states have different tolerance levels

For not having a human on board but there’s some new technology that’s coming out or I should say there’s some new vehicles coming out I think there’s there’s a really interesting Robo mark I don’t know if you guys have seen that so we’re not talking about moving people

But it’s moving groceries and they will not have a human on board when they launch later this year is the need for having a human on board at this point really necessary for the a potential operation of the vehicle or is it more to you get people comfortable with the idea

Of there not being someone sitting behind the wheel driving the idea of an operator on board is different it’s mainly its comfort level of the insurance company or of the transportation leader of that city who’s providing oversight or you know that essentially is the sponsor it may also

Be some of the autonomous vehicle suppliers feel more comfortable with an operator on board for a certain amount of time while it’s being run through its paces and it’s doing its testing and trial phase I haven’t seen it that much for the riders you know I don’t know how

Many demos I’ve done dozens and dozens and most people will ask a few questions like you know the general questions how does this know where it’s going how does it know where it is I want to crash into anything and they ant you know they get answers to their

Two or three questions and they go back to looking at their phone so I’ve found that most people are pretty comfortable pretty quickly even even to the point we were doing a demonstration in Florida and a family got on and I was so excited to share this with them and say what do

You think you riding in a robot vehicle and and the dad looked around and said we are as well there’s no controls there’s no steering wheel and he looked wrong yes mam you’re right hey kids what do you think look weird this is a robot they just didn’t care they just wanted

To get from point A to point B and if the thing did it in a boring way if I didn’t bring it up they probably they would have never even known so I don’t think consumer acceptance is really that big of a deal especially we’re talking about transit vehicles in the low-speed

Arena what do you mean by by low speed in the low speed category is we were defining it it was essentially 25 miles or less so the nav category for do T but it’s V any V I’m sorry neighborhood electric vehicle category so limiting the speed to 25 miles an hour we you

Know get to claim nav status for certification so that was one of our goals early on but really what it is as I was doing my research when I was with the military and autonomous vehicles is that we found that they had pretty much the same problems that cities did and we were

Trying to solve those problems with autonomous vehicles and one of the big ones was congestion and first and last mile transit so those two problems as we did the research and we started to learn more because we’re we’re a bunch of vehicle people we weren’t really transit people and transportation people is that

We found that we could solve those problems with low-speed applications and to us that low speed limit was about 25 miles per hour which also was congruent with the you know the NE v rating so that’s where we stayed is that any v rating importance in terms of getting

Your pilot project certified how why does that matter well one big one for any of these is it doesn’t require crash testing of the vehicles so if you stay below 25 miles per hour then that’s a you taking one of the big challenges away even when we’re certifying these low speed shuttles for

Service on public streets they don’t really actually fit fully into the nav class so that we have to get exemptions from Nitsa and mainly it’s around the weight restrictions so it’s really interesting because it’s a gray area is it a bus or is it an nav and Nitz is

Helping us with waivers and exemptions to be able to safely operate these it’s funny to me to be talking about doing pilot projects in communities when it sounds as though the entire industry is in this pilot project phase and has been for a year now for a few years now well

The whole thing is moving really fast and trying to figure out what directions and what things you know meet needs first sometimes we get tripped up on language about things so certification in the technology sense really refers to what is the certification for safety purposes from the National Highway

Traffic Safety Administration but pilots are not actually certified and communities really need help on during out know how to how they manage a project and how they manage a pilot and how they move forward if there is a city out there that is looking to start planning for autonomous vehicles

What is the playbook they need to be following what do they need to be thinking about right now so they need to be doing the feasibility study that Corey talked about they need to be putting together the Operations plan the safety plan how they’re going to verify that the vehicles are going to

Work they need to be putting together procurement and these things are not hard but there’s not a playbook for it yet that would really help cities or a region work through this and so my sort of call to action to our listeners is to help us think about how we get that

Playbook written so the best playbook is put together by combining technical insight and experience that people like Corey has with the joining it with the needs of cities and states and that and the users who are going to use this not just the people who are operating the

System but the consumers who are going to write on it and you know as you we mentioned stakeholders before when we’re talking about a pilot this kind of goes broader and we’re talking about that stakeholders national stakeholders because there’s some great work being done there’s great best practices that

Are being established and we need to gather all of those and then put them into playbook yep Corie thank you for joining us to talk about autonomous vehicles now there’s one thing that I’ve been thinking about with in terms of autonomous vehicles from the consumer perspective I usually

Think of something like a Tesla you know a private passenger vehicle but when you talk about AV mobility systems that’s not what you’re talking about you tell us a little bit about the design of the vehicles what do they look like sure you know that’s at least not what I’m

Talking about this is a conversion of passenger vehicles that’s just that’s a path the automakers are already on that path and they’re going to do an amazing job but when we’re really talking about automated mobility or automated transit it’s something different and what we’re talking about in purpose-built

Autonomous vehicles and so you know I give the example sometimes of watching the movie wall-e is if anybody’s familiar with that there’s a hundred different little robots that do unique jobs and I think that’s really the future of transportation for us because that makes sense when you’re thinking about technology and automation and

Robotics is that you don’t need a Swiss Army knife just you know to cut an apple so you know something simple to do the job so what was the vehicle in the pilot that you worked on in Fort Bragg well what was that like it’s about as simple

As you can get it was a golf cart oh yeah so and why it was a golf cart is because there wasn’t a u.s. made autonomous vehicle in the market yet so there was one company in France that had a little shuttle bus but it just wasn’t

Here in the US yet so this fantastic company robotics research they automated they converted a golf cart and they put in they put in an ad a compliant wheelchair ramp and they made one of the first autonomous vehicles in the u.s. that was available for everyday use Wow

I would not have guessed a golf card yeah it’s not very sexy but it does the job obviously we’ve we’ve moved beyond golf carts in the past few years what sort of vehicles are available right now what are what are companies coming out with maybe we can move past

Golf carts so I like to say talk about you know if a golf cart can do the job and it’s the best it’s the best tool for the job then let’s use it you know we’re seeing a lot of Polaris gems out on the streets main mobility is using Polaris

Gems Optimus ride also so it’s a good vehicle it’s a nice little electric vehicle and kind of moving through the spectrum from simple to more sophisticated a little more elegant as you start to see these autonomous shuttles like Navia has a nice shadow easy mile has the EZ 10 company coasters

Come out with one local motors Ali I know of a couple others that are being built kind of on the side Transdev is actually building the crystal it’s another like 12 passenger 16 passenger shuttle so the shuttles are becoming pretty common in this market when we

Talk about shuttles is that like an 8 to 16 passengers range exactly and most of them look like a box or toaster so you know there’s some a little bit different styling some some are really unique in that they don’t really look like they have a frontal back which I really like

Because these vehicles could essentially be bi-directional they don’t really have to have a front or back thinking you know they’re kind of like a horizontal elevator they move on the street that way how many vehicles were there in the Fort Bragg I think they only had a

Couple they did a couple golf carts and I think they did a passenger van that they put in a an automated wheelchair ramp I mean automated meaning it didn’t need human assist so people just use one kind of vehicle than these projects or no you know that’s not something that is part

Of the planning process is I think it’s really important to look at the application and see what makes sense we did a little feasibility study for a company I know they they’re not we’re not allowed to say their name for another three years but a Silicon Valley company that was really

Interesting and we were looking at two different vehicles for their application one what kind of that shuttle that you know twelve passenger shuttle but then also they wanted kind of Express service so we were looking at more like a two-seater like a pod car almost like the way Moe vehicle the little Firefly

That way mo did you know Cory we have a new client that is interested in having a sort of fully autonomous shuttle fleet on you know on its campus to mix with bikes and pedestrian traffic and I thought was really interesting when we were talking about it that you know we

Were trying to figure out sort of what would meet their maximum need and you said maybe that’s not the right way to look at it we might look at different kinds of vehicles and so you know I can think about well we started with a golf

Cart and then we talked about a shuttle but what other kinds of vehicles and can you do a mix of vehicles on a fleet you know I think a mixes is almost necessary because I mean we just look at our everyday transportation and it’s a mix its trains and buses and shuttles and

Cars of all different sizes and bicycles so I don’t think that’s going away I think that we have to find the right fleet mix for the application it’s a challenge right now because there just aren’t that many so I listed some that are working on shuttles another company

That’s getting ready to launch a deployment in Houston is to get their you know them really well Kelly is coming out of Europe and they have two different concepts one is a PRT but I think it’s about four to six passenger but it’s the PRT mean personal Rapid

Transit another nickname is a pod car because it kind of looks like a pod and then they have a bigger version called GRT a group rapid transit and I think that that capacity is around 24 that vehicle I could be wrong but really interesting very high-tech futuristic

Looking vehicle so if you’re just gonna you know pull out a designer pin and think about what the the next set of you know this is all changing and that sort of the future is ours to create what would be the would be the missing vehicles

And in the mix and the prospects for developing them for a deployment soon yeah I always I love that designer hat so we’re seeing a little bit of activity in the larger sized vehicles so going from the 12 passenger 16 passenger up to the 20 25 passenger so there’d be some

Volume there actually we’re even seeing a project with a full-size bus I’m fully automated full-size bus but me I get excited about the smaller vehicles because I’m a big believer in kind of that just-in-time theory is that we move more people in smaller bunches more frequently rather

Than putting them all in a mass on a big bus you know you have to do that for buses and trains when there’s high volume absolutely makes sense but just for the day-to-day on-demand needs a lot of small vehicles will do the job a lot more efficiently that’s really

Interesting to me the way that you explained why you would have different types of vehicles and a fleet because it made a lot of sense to me as a commuter I use four different modes of transportation to get to work every morning so that does make a lot of sense

But does it make it more complicated on the implementation ends to try to deal with different types and sizes of vehicles you know honestly I have to say probably all right so let’s go with the yes in the short term but it’s our future so we might as well start working

On it now and that’s just the you know the way you just described it is perfect it not every vehicle will fit that application you know if you are on a commute that’s 50 miles you’re still going to have to take multiple modes of transportation and and then also if

You’re traveling alone or with a party then or you have sometimes with mobility issues so those different vehicles are going to be necessary in the fleet’s now it’s just really exciting to think about that they’re all these vehicles some of them were really cute names and ones that we

Haven’t even thought about oh by the way those are names like the Ollie and Milo for easy mile um I know that cute names don’t really do it for you quarry so what what are you working on that really gets you excited well I wouldn’t assume that cute names

Don’t work for me because I led the development of Ollie at local motors and I thought that name was awesome it’s adorable game got a gift shout out to my man Cody sellers who came up with that he was our product marketing manager at the time so you know just stayin on

Ollie I’m excited about ollie it’s it’s a fantastic vehicle we really worked hard to make it make it a vehicle that would really speak to the riders you know to really fit within the community and we did that through a partnership with IBM and you know we had some really

Interesting innovative concepts that we were working on of how to really interact with the vehicle and especially when we were talking about different accessibility challenges of being able to get on the vehicle and talk to it and ask it questions and you know have that kind of you know feeling that you’re

With a human maybe if that makes sense is to be able to say you know Ollie where are we going or Ollie how do you know not to run into that car in front of us and actually have the the artificial intelligence from Watson from IBM’s Watson be able to answer and have

A natural conversation that was pretty exciting and then they’ve taken it to the next level and they just launched assessable Ollie yeah the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas a few weeks ago and that’s all groundbreaking stuff so then then and then I just get excited about cool vehicles I mean I

Think what ultra PRT is doing is really futuristic and forward-thinking and I know there’s a few other companies you guys have a company here locally in the Chicago area called ANOVA Evi that has kind of like a little pod car little two-seat electric vehicle that they are converting to autonomous so no

Wow what is it that ultra PRT is doing that’s that’s that’s so cool and I’m not familiar with that company you know one is that they have a real system they’ve been they’ve been operating a public use autonomous system for years now in a Masdar city in the

Middle East but they just have a lot of experience so one their system works so that alone is exciting but just just the vehicle design itself this kind of futuristic pod looking vehicle it’s just cool and they’re not done knowing that they just came out with a new vehicle

And they’re starting North American manufacturing this year it’s exciting it’s that’s very heartening to hear for me because I I like cars I’ve always liked cars and so many of these autonomous concepts I’ve seen have as you described they look like a box there’s not a whole lot interesting

There visually to look at so there are companies out there who are trying to do something more on the design and you know that I’ve totally forgot there about this company I met with them also at CES the company called Ankita they’re making a brand new autonomous vehicle

And they it’s the same thing they don’t want to make a box so they’re doing something really unique they’re working with a great company out of Italy for the actual vehicle design nice so we’ve talked a lot about shuttles and sort of traditional looking types of vehicles

But what other options are there in terms of autonomous vehicles what our people are working on that’s a little different or maybe a little more exciting yeah you know we can be so much more creative as we start to head down this path towards fully automated vehicle systems especially when we stay

In the low speed side you know we don’t have to have the same kind of vehicle structure that has to withstand a crash at 60 or 70 miles per hour so we can get a lot more creative when we are moving at 15 miles per hour 25 miles per hour

So some of the things that were seeing I just posted something Kelly reminded me that an autonomous wheelchair so I mean that’s the ultimate personal mobility is just a single seat automated vehicle that’s on the horizon you know multiple companies that are working on that now

And then if we kind of scaled up from there I’ve seen larger versions of of that you know two-seaters four-seaters some that are open air some that are fully enclosed like a bubble you can start to use different materials that’s one thing that we were working on at

Local Motors was a 3d printed vehicle so we actually had a 3d printed vehicle the full chassis and body all kind of one-piece and you can get really interesting and creative with that and you know we’re just scratching the surface on 3d printing you know the next

۲۰ years is going to be fascinating what we’re able to accomplish with that but I think the main point is that we can really be a lot more innovative and we can we can build design for the job so you know kind of a jobs to be done but

With the rider in mind and I think that’s the key is that let’s build the right tool so thinking about creative vehicle design tell us about the atticus what is that that is something completely different so when we talk about the paradigm shift for sure which is exciting so this short story is

There is a gentleman in Florida he’s in brilliant mechanical engineer and he owns a company called cat Trek which is a recumbent three-wheeled bicycle and he has a hobby he decided he wanted to get into autonomous vehicles so he built one in his garage but it’s not needed your

General hobbyist I mean this this guy is really talented and he came up with a completely new idea for what this vehicle could be like and he was telling me that he thought about it like a bike like the frame should last a lifetime but the components are modular and

Should be able to be upgraded so he built a really interesting frame essentially out of extruded aluminum channel aluminum things that you could really bolt on really easily and it’s a fully electric vehicle he put in a drive by wire system which essentially drive by wire means you be

Hit you can steer brake accelerate just through you know wire interface you know electronic interface and that’s central for autonomous vehicles and you know he asked advice from a lot of the best companies out there that are currently making autonomous vehicles but this vehicle you know it looks like an erector set

And his point is why not you know if if we’re only moving at 12 miles per hour and this is the first and last mile vehicle and you can reconfigure the seating and you can do you put up whatever kind of body you want on it one

Of his designs it has a translucent body so you can see everything moving we’re super cool so you know it’s really interesting just when you start to see people that are not auto industry people starting to create these new vehicles so that really excites me is that we think

About how the vehicle can change and and that someone like the inventor or designer of atticus can do this sort of in the equivalent of their garage and that would sort of have the same kind of challenge at the community level when you’re talking about a planner thinking about how we use autonomous

Vehicles and what that might look like and so there’s this opportunity to be inventive you know be inventive on the bike path be inventive on a dedicated lane be inventive along with the people who are doing these vehicles because now I conversation with some colleagues with

One of our clients that are planners who you know sort of jokingly said well why not an autonomous bike which sounded a little ridiculous until I saw atticus and I thought wait a second that really is kind of an autonomous bike so I guess the sort of thing I would say is nobody

Has a lock on what this new paradigm looks like and planers really can help us define what is the job that the vehicle needs to do to serve people in their communities yeah yeah this great point you know one thing I also want to make I don’t

To make light of how much work it takes to get a vehicle to market though and to for an autonomous vehicle or an electric vehicle to be safe even if it’s in this you know I was talking about some ideas that are seem like they’re out there a

Little bit so I don’t want to underestimate or lead people down the wrong path to think that you come up with an idea and then six months you have a view a brand new concept of a vehicle or a 3d printed vehicle running on the roads it stills going to take a

Couple years to actually do the full engineering and testing and validation of the vehicle but you know there’s new exciting things ahead they they will not look like their traditional vehicles of yesterday well I think that’s a nice kind of close on this conversation and we we talk about trying to figure out

What this new thing is and you know when we shifted from horse and carriage we called the car the horseless carriage and when we you know we’re making this shift we’re really stuck on thinking about it as a driverless car instead of all these kind of rich different ways

That we can use autonomy at the same time we learned a lot in the last several decades and your points well-taken we need to make sure that they’re well constructed and that we have confidence and in the way that they’re the way they’re put together and operated hey Jennifer thanks for letting

Me have Corey on the show of course thanks for coming by it was a great conversation my pleasure thank you very much it was fun thanks for tuning in to another episode of the American Planning Association podcast you can listen to past episodes at Planning org slash podcasts you can

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