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جدول جلسه پایداری، قسمت دوم: کیم میکلسون، AICP

Title:Resilience Roundtable, Episode 2: Kim Mickelson, AICP در قسمت دوم از مجموعه پادکست APA میزگرد تاب آوری، کیم میکلسون، AICP، به میزبان ریچ راث، AICP می پیوندد تا در مورد طوفان هاروی از دیدگاه او به عنوان وکیل بخش برنامه ریزی شهر هیوستون صحبت کند. طوفان در اولین هفته کار او رخ داد و مقامات […]

Title:Resilience Roundtable, Episode 2: Kim Mickelson, AICP

در قسمت دوم از مجموعه پادکست APA میزگرد تاب آوری، کیم میکلسون، AICP، به میزبان ریچ راث، AICP می پیوندد تا در مورد طوفان هاروی از دیدگاه او به عنوان وکیل بخش برنامه ریزی شهر هیوستون صحبت کند. طوفان در اولین هفته کار او رخ داد و مقامات شهری را مجبور کرد تا یک برنامه اقدام جدید کاهش خطر را در مارس ۲۰۱۸ تصویب کنند. کیم در مورد اینکه چگونه طوفان سوم ۵۰۰ ساله – یا بیشتر – در ۱۸ ماه آنها را وادار کرده است. نگاهی دوم به مقررات دشت سیلابی آنها، از جمله الزامات ارتفاع برای ساخت و سازهای جدید، و استانداردهای طراحی زیرساخت آنها. او جنبه‌های چالش‌برانگیزتر و خاص هوستون فرآیند پاک‌سازی را مرور می‌کند و اینکه چگونه بلافاصله پس از گذراندن طوفان به فکر مشارکت در خدمات تیم کمک برنامه‌ریزی جامعه APA بود. درباره تاب‌آوری و دسترسی به منابع بازیابی بلایا بیشتر بیاموزید: https://www.planning.org/resilience/

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قسمتی از متن فیلم: Welcome to the American Planning Association podcast this episode continues our series that looks at how different communities prepared for and responded to natural hazards such as floods wildfires hurricanes and more I’ll have planners in these communities promoted resilience in their Hazard Mitigation to disaster recovery plan we’ll find out on this episode of

Resilience Roundtable brought to you in conjunction with the American Planning associations hazard mitigation and disaster recovery planning division I’m your host rich Roth’s I’m a part-time senior hazard planner for Burton planning service of Columbus Ohio and previously a principal planner with urs EECOM Corporation before that I

Was a senior planner for FEMA region 5 where it was in charge of coordinating all mitigation planning activities for the six states in the region I’m also a proud member of the American Planning associations hazard mitigation and disaster recovery planning division Our guest today is Kim Mickelson AICP JD Kim as an attorney and certified planner who’s practicing concentrated in the representation of governmental and nonprofit corporations she is past president of the Texas chapter of the American Planning Association and she has represented cities in Texas and Illinois an ordinance drafting and

Various land-use matters she writes and speaks nationally on planning and land use law issues Kim welcome to the podcast thank you for having me I’m happy to be here Jim can you tell us about your background and what got you into the field of Hazard Mitigation to disaster recovery planning sure maybe

Let me start with the second half of that because I don’t really know that I’m necessarily in the field of Hazard Mitigation disaster recovery planning as you noted I’m an attorney I always wanted to practice land use law so I feel particularly fortunate that I’ve been able to spend my career doing that

That is really what’s gotten me into Hazard Mitigation and disaster recovery particularly here in the Gulf Coast region prior to joining the city of Houston I was in private practice representing smaller cities around the area including doing some work in Galveston post Hurricane Ike I was a city attorney for Friendswood post

Tropical storm Allison which was probably really my first foray into what happens during and after a disaster a real learning experience I joined the city of Houston last August in fact in the middle of hurricane Harvey was my first day so that was quite an introduction or quite an entrance

An introduction under fire so to speak on your water can you give us an idea of what the area was like prior to hurricane Harvey so the whole Gulf Coast area has been through boom and bust periods but generally unfortunately in the last let’s say 30 years or so it’s been mostly boom

So both inside the city of Houston and in the other communities I represented there was a lot of growths there was a lot of building there’s a real desire to have economic development because if you don’t allow a certain type of building then the fear is all those tax dollars

Go down the road to another community so very developer building friendly and I don’t mean that as a negative it’s just people were encouraging building and growth even out beyond you know city limits into extraterritorial jurisdiction which might not happen in other areas with growth boundaries okay

Actually I know here in Illinois we have the same issues sometimes can you discuss the impact of Harvey on the community you know since we’ve gotten over a year away from Harvey actually happening refresh the listeners on Harvey sure so city of Houston and well the Houston region and I think it’s easy

That’s an important distinction I think it’s easy for people to just focus on Houston but really it was the broader Houston region Rockport got the brunt of it south of Corpus Christi you know all the way up along the Gulf Coast to Bay town and Beaumont on the east but you

Know city of Houston area immediate area of Harris County and so forth saw 27 trillion gallons of water somebody equated that at one point to how many Astrodome that would fill up and I don’t remember how many it was but it was it was a huge number

We had 2600 miles of city roads underwater and more than three hundred and forty five thousand homes were affected by the flooding to some extent either substantially damaged or maybe not as substantially damaged but as people may remember you know it was like the Carolinas some of the post rain

Event flooding that happened as the rivers filled up and as a reservoirs released water affected homes that maybe hadn’t been flooded in the actual rain event somewhat similar to what we’ve seen recently in North Carolina we are absolutely seeing the same thing in North Carolina I saw the kept scene

Pictures thinking did people not pay attention during Carvey and get out of the way yeah you have that post storm riverine flooding which is almost a little more surreal than the actual event I wrote evacuation orders for some of the residences around the reservoirs after the storm had passed and the Sun

Was out so it was kind of surreal as the only word I can use to describe that did the residents listen to the evacuation orders well you know overall we did not do a citywide evacuation order that proved not well thought-out in Hurricane Rita a number of years ago I do think

That in these cases because they were smaller communities people did listen to them and did get out of the way of course they had very little time to plan for it and pack things up or so forth but but I do think they’ve listened to it by and large oh there are always

Holdout of course there are you’ve got some people that say I want to see what it’s like unfortunately yes there are always holdout I can go to the second floor I could go to the roof the Houston have a recovery plan or an annex to their response plan to guy

Their recovery actions in fact Houston had approved a new hazard mitigation plan in March of 2018 so we had a fairly up-to-date plan that talked about you know the scope and what would happen what things to look for and what our goals should be those were carried

Forward in the mayor’s recovery plan as you know post post disaster recovery got initiated we also had a wide variety of operational plans to direct how we would respond to different situations and specifically for hurricane response but overall managed emergency management plans were well prepared I think and

Involved probably what we all are used to as the as the components of a thorough Emergency Management plan on the roles of various services what we need to do legally how we manage debris management and so forth could you describe some of the mitigation actions that took place so

The city of Houston updated its Hazard Mitigation action plan really in response to the previous 500-year events that we had had earlier in the years prior had Tax Day flood a Memorial Day flood so we had we had looked at that but we had not really I think the city

Had not taken a lot of steps as far as requiring elevation of structures or looking at additional things that could be mitigated in it for a future storm that really came with Harvey and the recognition that it was the third major five hundred year or greater storm that

We’ve seen in 18 months and that’s when really we started booking the city started looking at it’s floodplain regulations which has now been completed to require higher building elevations revised its infrastructure design standards to require more on-site detention less reliance on the streets and so forth in

The year that’s passed since Harvey can you discuss some of the mitigation actions that have actually taken place thus far you know such as how many houses have been modified you had mentioned earlier substantial damage and if those structures are repaired they have to be mitigated to a higher

Elevation right so the storm happened in August of 2017 the city adopted new floodplain regulations the end of February of 2018 they were not effective until September first so if a home was substantially damaged and came in for a building permit prior to September 1st

All they had to do was build up to our old floodplain regulations which was fine that was you know one foot to 18 inches above the base flood elevation of the 100-year storm some homes that flooded were not built to that standard so yes they had to come up to that there

Were approximately 3,000 slightly under 3,000 letters of substantial damage sent out so of the total homes that sustained damage over three hundred and forty five thousand really a small number was substantially damaged anyone coming in for a building permit post September 1 will have to build up to 2 feet above

The base flood elevation in the 500-year floodplain the S Meishan by the city’s Public Works Department was that the old 500 year flood plain is going to be the new 100 year flood plain with the release in late September of the Atlas fourteen numbers we think that’s going to be

Borne out in the maps but that evaluation is still underway the city also revised its infrastructure design manual standards for drainage and attention requirements and there used to be a previous colic grandfathering if you had a structure on your property even if you raised it you got credit for

The amount of detention that previous structure had provided and that grandfathering has been removed we’re treating it as if it is a brand new brand new development that has created some conformation in the development community there are also some requirements in the new regulations about not adding fill to property and

Managing natural sheet flow and ensuring that that gets accomplished on-site could you explain also how this affects new construction that will affect all new construction that comes in after September 1 many homes are elevating to meet the new standards we may end up with a hodgepodge of developments or

Neighborhoods where some homes are still on slab and the house next door is elevated eight feet we are already seeing that in some areas of town but I think as time goes on will look more like a beach town maybe but well it will get more compliant that sounds great

Okay after the immediate response can you enlightened us what went according to plan and what didn’t I think like many disasters what doesn’t go as smoothly as you would like is the debris removal and recovery one thing we found here in Houston that was problematic was as probably everyone in the country

Knows Houston does not have citywide zoning therefore we have a lot of communities with deed restrictions and communities that are gated those are private streets we didn’t feel we could send public trucks out on those streets or trucks working on behalf of the city to take away two debris without some

Agreement from those private homeowners associations so that was a learning curve that I’m not sure had been addressed before and causes of course people calling their City Council members because they have stinky moldy building materials out in front of their house but that was a unique environment

And I think in general the handling of debris is just always difficult post storm especially post massive storm like we had there’s just not enough landfill space where do you put everything do you know I responded to Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans and they actually brought in

If you will grinders to grind up the debris to allow more debris to go in the landfills and they also received permits from EPA to burn that did that happen in Houston I don’t I don’t know that those are both interesting but I don’t recall that occurring what one thing

You really or Houston really proud of from the recovery period I think that the administration is really proud of meeting its guiding principles for the recovery effort the administration developed program about looking forward not looking backwards and ensuring that the recovery effort was targeted to those of greatest need so the emphasis

Was on housing getting housing permits back out getting ordinances passed to allow FEMA trailers in locations we did as many cities do had to extend that but I think that the overall response was unified and regional and quickly responsive the element and building forward and not backwards is really

Ensconced in the rewrite of the floodplain regulations and the infrastructure design manual that will provide greater protection to life and property in a future storm as those as those standards get met you brought up the FEMA trailers I know in some areas they’ve had issues after the disaster

With residents being willing to give up the trailers especially if they’re offered the ability to purchase them at a lower cost are you having any issues like that in Houston we’ve not seen any issues like that but we did make that acoustic ordinance did make that a

Condition that FEMA had to apply for the permit for the trailers and agree to remove them FEMA trailers will also pose an issue in some of those neighborhoods with deed restrictions we will see those moved out there more quickly but I think this the city took some pro

Active steps in its ordinance to make sure that they’re not lingering or that they are relocated to areas where they’re permitted it sounds like something other communities should look into and possibly copy I like to say instead of houston we have a problem houston we have the answers frequently after disasters communities need

Additional planning assistance from outside and APA is beginning to put together teams that they could send out upon request to provide that assistance after disasters did you Stan have any outside assistance or what kind of planning assistance do you think they could use in the near future so I’m

Really excited to talk about that I was still chapter president of the Texas chapter of APA during the storm and that was one of the first things I immediately thought of was what can APA do how do we get on the list for teens to the communities that end up being

Affected by this so my first week I mentioned I was just starting this new job but we couldn’t come into the office I couldn’t leave my neighborhood so I spent the time on reading materials and talking to people I was on the phone with APA in Chicago

To see how we would do this and so we did not initially have anyone come down from APA or from a community planning assistance team perspective but we helped start I think the foundation fundraising effort and we our Texas chapter has applied for and been awarded grants from that effort to assist with

Some of the smaller communities recovery outside of Houston and building off of the lessons learned from Hurricane sandy on the East Coast we’re going to start a dialogue with that we have projects in the works to request official CPAP teams to come in and assist with specific

Planning efforts we know the need is there and it’s identifying those communities so we’re working on developing those as we speak the other thing we’ve done and are working on is to really establish Texas planners for Texas communities where we know planners want to help affected communities we had

Some people go out and do on-site you know immediate assistance with permitting and so forth in small numbers but hoping to develop that as a permanent program to is I think one of the chapters lessons to take away from this it sounds like other chapters could

Learn from you I was on the phone with the Louisiana chapter president former chapter president who had been president of the chapter during Katrina Steve illa-llah so during the storm saying help what do I do and he said start a committee so yes that’s the advice for chapters to take away that

Was good advice yes Steve is really good on that I worked with him during Katrina so yeah one other thing I will mention that came out of or has occurred since Harvey is that the city of Houston has now been named the 101st resilient city in the hundred resilient city programs

Funded by the Rockefeller Foundation’s so that has been approved by City Council and we look forward to the program moving forward every disaster is a learning experience what do you know now that you wish you had known before hurricane Harvey that’s a tough question I’m not sure you

Know what you don’t know when it happens maybe the way to answer that question is that I learned what great resource materials were out there I spent a lot of time with the APA planning advisory service document on planning for post disaster recovery and reconstruction I think I memorized it reading the hazard

Mitigation plan and also looking at a really good publication from the floodplain management Association on flood risk in the court so the lawyer I’m always focused or concerned about what about takings claims what if we increase our regulations what liability do we have that was really really

Helpful when I was brought into the city I was hired as a planning department attorney because obviously that’s like my primary expertise and so floodplain regulations kind of got thrown on me because I had some familiarity with them but again finding those resources was one of it one of the best tools APA

Works closely with the Association of State floodplain managers on a number of projects so it’s good to hear that you were able to learn from them also yeah in the case of Houston are you aware of any changes afoot to prepare for the next disaster well we currently have one of the things

Out of the recovery committee efforts is looking at flood more flood mitigation infrastructure to make Houston more resilient there’s there have long been plans for or talk of a third reservoir and of needing additional funds for not just that but additional detention projects or to assist property owners with buyouts and

Elevations another infrastructure need is looking for perhaps some of the tiger grant funds to improve alerts at flood prone traffic intersections we have lots of highways in Houston lots of them flood even a week after the storm I think every single Highway out of Houston had water covering some portion

Of it so we definitely have those kind of infrastructure needs the other aspect of that is there’s been a lot of talk locally about an IKE dike is what it’s called but essentially building on the Netherlands model of diking and protecting land from flooding during a storm and protecting the let the

Infrastructure and land immediately adjacent that might be subject to flooding along the waterways one funny thing about post flood is whenever I would be in a professional conference people would say well what is Houston done to stop to make flooding less likely all of these infrastructure projects are long-term projects first

You have to get the money then you have to let the bids then you have to get the land then you have to construct it and that’s our 20-year project so we can’t do that immediately but that is probably the biggest need unfortunately our society thinks of instant gratification

You know what why wasn’t it done yesterday the right thing what opportunities do you see in the future for Houston or in your case for the Texas chapter of APA I like to think that Houston can really become a model for post disaster planning and building

We know another storm is going to come we’re located on the coast it’s extremely likely we’ve been extremely lucky up till now but we know we know it’s going to happen so I’d like to see Houston be the model for it be a leader in that for the Texas chapter I really

Hope that we evolve this Texas planners for Texas communities idea Texas is affected by not just hurricanes and coastal storms but by flooding from other events by fires by tornadoes and the idea of getting that kind of a program established in this really large state would be a goal I’d like to see

Texas the Texas chapter accomplished one other thing I will mention in regard to that is that the Texas Chapter received one of the Public Health Association planners for Health grants specifically to deal with post disaster recovery and we used that grant to work with Van

Zandt County who is hit by a series of seven tornadoes in April of 2017 ving that County is located to the east of the Dallas area fairly rural primarily farming in agricultural County so we prepared this to kind of be a guide to communities particularly smaller cities or rural counties of what

Do they do post disaster of some sort and I think that there are takeaways in that in that document for disaster recovery of any type though it was directed to to their particular situation so yes I would hope that would be helpful to other other communities or

Chapters lastly where can we find you online and are there any resources you’d like our listeners to know about so I am on twitter at am TX TX and I would point listeners to the Texas planning website Tx planning gorg where we have the Van Zandt County post-disaster recovery manual from

Planners for health and I would also encourage them to read the planning advisory service documents that became my Bible on planning for post disaster recovery and reconstruction they should send their lawyers to the Association of State floodplain managers website for the flood risk in the court information

As well just to keep their lawyers calm Jim thank you for being on the podcast we really appreciate it well thank you for the time we appreciate letting you all know what Texas is doing Thanks for tuning in to another episode of the American Planning Association podcast for resources on hazard mitigation and disaster recovery visit planning dot org slash resilience to your past episodes of the APA podcast visit planting dot org slash podcast you can also subscribe to the podcast on itunes and stitcher

Have an idea for a podcast series send it to podcast at planning dot org You

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